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How to Lose at Blackjack

August 20th, 2014

How to Lose at BlackjackEveryone loses.

I’m not sure how many sessions of backjack I’ve played in my life.

My guess is around 1000.

Far less than many advantage players, even ones that played on our team.

In fact, if we want to talk about other embarrassing statistics we can talk about how much I’ve won at casinos. Or rather, how much I haven’t won. I was just told by Colin that my lifetime win is actually under $100,000. Good thing there’s multiple ways of calling yourself a “professional” (one is just having a low standard of living).* So, how was I able to start a team and a website that teaches people like you how to extract money from casinos? Well, I was reading a book this last week and I stumbled across a little insight that I think contributed to my success and I would like to share it with you here. It’s how I became good at losing. Read More »

Recommended Bankroll for Blackjack

August 6th, 2014

Recommended Bankroll Size Blackjack

My brother likes to joke with me whenever he knows I’m headed to Las Vegas (or any casino for that matter): “Hey bro, if I give you $100 can’t you, like, turn it into $100,000?” He knows that’s not how card counting works, but movies like “The Hangover” have resulted in many people not understanding what it really takes to beat the game.

I’m going to explain exactly how much of a bankroll you really need to beat blackjack. But first…

Your Brains and Your Bankroll

I tell people that there are two things they need to beat the casino: brains and a bankroll. While both are essential, many people want to jump to the second issue while taking the first for granted.

Or the other way of putting it is: You could have a $1 billion bankroll, but if you don’t have a PERFECT blackjack game, you will eventually lose the entire thing. The number of betting units is irrelevant if you don’t have an optimal game. Sorry if we sound like a broken record, but we just have to emphasize the most important thing.

Does that mean all you need is brains? No.


What is the Recommended Bankroll for Blackjack?


The Honest Answer

Well, it depends. I’ll give you a neat, clean, mathy answer about it in a minute, but honestly it’s complicated . And while many professional card counters are quick to say, “I wouldn’t bother getting into card counting with less than $20,000,” I cannot give you that same answer. Why? Because that’s not our story.

I started with $2,000. though I don’t think I ever bought in past my first $1,000 stake. Ben started with $800 (read his story of how he went from waiting tables to playing professional blackjack).

Did we start with a perfect game? Doubtful. But we worked our tails off to get perfect at blackjack.

Were we patient? Absolutely. I estimate that I was generating about $5/hr to 7/hr for the first couple months, but we were growing something so it didn’t matter!

Were we lucky? Probably. Our risk of ruin (the odds of losing our entire bankroll) would give most card counters (not including Ben) severe hypertension.

Were we aggressive? Insanely. We weren’t worried about backoffs, and would play a 1-20 bet spread or higher, always playing the table minimum below a true 1 and leaving the table at a true -1.

While a $20,000 initial stake would be great, that’s not our story, nor is it realistic for many people. But, you’ll have to be patient, aggressive, have a perfect game, and you may need to be willing to take on a little more risk. But then again, never starting your card counting career is also a risk.


The easy answer: Number of Betting Units

Now that that’s out of the way, let me quickly show how the number of units will affect your risk, because that’s probably what people are wondering… how many units do I need to not go broke?

Assuming PERFECT BLACKJACK PLAY, standard rules and a 1-12 bet spread (better rules or pen would have lower risk, worse rules or pen would have higher risk):

  • 200 Units: ~40% Risk of Ruin. That means that 4/10 card counters who play this way will be kissing their bankroll goodbye. The other 6/10 card counters will hit some positive variance and never look back. I wouldn’t recommend playing at this level of risk for long. But if you decide you can handle those odds and don’t have another option, then may the cards fall in your favor.
  • 400 Units: ~20% Risk of Ruin. For any of us who’ve played blackjack professionally, you would never want to run at this level for long, as you wouldn’t want to wipe out your capital once out of every 5 bankrolls. But I know Ben and I started higher than this. So again, you can decide if 20% is appropriate relative to your other options.
  • 500 Units: ~10% Risk of Ruin. Still high for long-term, but 9/10 card counters will be okay if they started with 500 units (of course, once you’ve been winning, you wouldn’t keep re-sizing your bets to stay at 10% risk… it’s assuming you start at that level and keep playing the same stakes as your units increase).
  • 1000 Units: ~1% Risk of Ruin. Once we were living off of blackjack, I preferred 1% or lower. With $2k, I had little to lose. But when card counting was a full-time job making me well over $100/hr I didn’t want to go back to waiting tables!


How to Manage your Bankroll and Calculate Bets

One of the benefits of running blackjack teams for nearly a decade is that I’m an expert at bankroll management: keeping EV as high as possible and risk as low as possible. We offer Bankroll Coaching for $299. Better yet, we throw Bankroll Coaching in FOR FREE to our Annual BJA Members.

Why would we give a $299 product away to people who buy our $149 Annual Membership? Because we aren’t excited to simply arm unprepared people with bet spreads. Remember, it’s as much about the Brains as it is about the Bankroll. We believe people need training, community, and the proper resources to beat the game. And we want people committed to BEATING the game and committed to the community of card counters at BJA.

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So, How Much Money Can You Make?

How Much Money Can You Make BlackjackIf you’re still with me and are really asking “What kind of money can I make with my bankroll size”, then keep reading.

Again, all of these are based off of 100% PERFECT BLACKJACK and standard rules with a 1-12 unit bet spread. Worse rules, more decks, poorer penetration will hurt EV and increase Risk. Better rules, fewer decks, or better penetration will increase EV and lower Risk.

Here are a few numbers that might help give you a grasp of what to expect:

1. $1,000 Bankroll – $10/hr EV; 45% Risk of Ruin. Now that seems like lot of risk, but you also have a 55% chance of never looking back and doubling your bankroll in 100 hours. Does this mean you need $1,000 before you start playing? Not necessarily. If you have $500 and know that you could save another $500 if needed, this is essentially the same thing. For Ben, it was $200 (lost), another $200 (lost), then he risked his last $400 (the rest is history).

2. $5,000 Bankroll – Using the same bet spread I calculated for the $1,000 bankroll, that would generate the same $10/hr EV, but with only 2% Risk of Ruin. Or, if you’re willing to go up to 10% Risk of Ruin, you could generate closer to $16/hr. That’s a 90% chance of not tapping out and an expectation of doubling your investment in just over 300 hours. At which point that same 10% Risk of Ruin bet spread with a $5,000 bankroll drops to 1% Risk of Ruin once you get to the $10,000 bankroll range! Are you starting to see how well card counting scales?!?

3. $10,000 Bankroll – You could stay there and keep risk low at $16/hr. But if you’re still comfortable with 10% Risk of Ruin, you can get your EV into the $33/hr range with a 1-12 bet spread. That means you’re expected to double your bankroll again in about 300 hours of play. At which point, your risk drops again to 1% at the $33/hr bet spread! Or…

4. $20,000 Bankroll – Once you’re getting into this range, you’re maybe wanting to keep risk at 5% or lower. So for a 5% Risk of Ruin game, you could expect to generate $53/hr in EV. Not enough risk for you? 10% Risk of Ruin gives you a game worth $75/hr.
5. $50,000 Bankroll – Now we’re starting to get into the “Pro” level. And our 1-12 spread is yielding $100/hr with 2% Risk of Ruin. Too much risk? Scale your bet spread back just a bit and expect $80/hr and a 0.5% Risk of ruin (yep, that’s 1/200 chance of going broke).

6. $100,000 Bankroll – $170/hr EV; 1% Risk of Ruin with the “mediocre rules”. BUT, one of the nice things about getting into higher limits means you can play some of the better rules that are typically at the higher limit tables. Based off of the common “higher limit” rules all over the Las Vegas strip (6 deck, S17, DAS, LS, RSA 1.5 Pen), you can generate $335/hr EV with 1% Risk of Ruin on a 1-8 bet spread. Not a bad investment!

Hopefully by now you’re getting the idea. The more you have, the more EV you can generate and the lower your risk. Does that mean you need to save up $20k, $50k, or $100k to get started? Not at all. You need a perfect game and a willingness to scale your business as it grows.


Betting Unit: The dollar amount you bet according to. If you change your bets by $5 increments, then it would be a $5 betting unit.

Expected Value (EV): The statistical amount that any given time period is worth. Even though results rarely equal a player’s expected value in the short run, the Expected Value is the amount a hand is theoretically “worth.” Given enough time, actual results will inevitably catch up with Expected Value. For more information on Expected value click here.

Perfect Game: No mistakes at Basic Strategy, running count, true count conversion, bets, or playing deviations. For more info, check out the BJA Card Counting Video Course.

Risk of Ruin (ROR):  The mathematical chance of losing one’s entire bankroll. Also referred to as ROR.  For more information Risk of Ruin click here.

Standard Rules: 6 decks, H17, DAS, RSA 1.5 pen, avoiding counts below true -1.


Author: Colin Jones

Interview with BJA Member “iambowman”

July 24th, 2014

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Every month or so, we like to take the opportunity to profile a different card counter on our Forum.

It gives us all an opportunity to learn from each others’ experiences, to get inspired by some good stories, and for those who are still training to hear from those who have gone before them.

We recently had the privilege of interviewing “iambowman”. He shares some of the ups and downs of getting started, the biggest challenges he’s had to overcome  (hint… they had nothing to do with playing blackjack properly), and shares a few of his most impressive non-casino related advantage plays…

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Why You Shouldn’t Trust Your Blackjack Dealer

July 22nd, 2014

Don't Trust Your Blackjack DealerThe count rises to a true 4.

I grab a stack of $100 black chips and place them in the my betting square.

I get a 9,3 and the dealer has a 7 up. I hit my 12 and get a 2, hit again and get a 4 so I stand. 

The dealer turns the hole card over and reveals a 4. She hits several more times, standing when she has 4, 7, Ace, 3, 2. She then calls out, “push” and moves on to the next round. 

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Choose Courage over Cowering

May 29th, 2014

Casino back-offI wanted to take a minute to talk about casino back-offs.

Whether it’s a smart celebrity unwilling to be the casino’s pawn or BJA members experiencing their first encounter with a casino refusing to take their action, we all have to deal with getting banned from blackjack.

So how should we deal with the inevitable hammer dropping?

When I started counting cards, I had never even stepped into a casino until it was for training purposes. Read More »

Bootcamp Success Story

May 22nd, 2014

Quick Announcement: Our next Blackjack Bootcamp weekend is scheduled for Nov 1-2, 2014 and is filling up, but there are still a couple spots left! 
Blackjack BootcampOne of the most common questions we get about our Blackjack Bootcamps is if it’s worth the cost.

Ben and I think it’s the best use of your money if you’re serious about beating the casinos.

But I’m sure we’re biased because we love training people at card counting!

So we love getting feedback from people who’ve been through the training. We gather feedback after every bootcamp and I thought I’d dig a little deeper with a team of 2 players that, over the past few years, have attended both our Bootcamp and Advanced Bootcamp. I sent them some questions and wanted to share with you guys their unedited responses…  Read More »

Why Was Ben Affleck Banned from Blackjack at Hard Rock Casino?

May 6th, 2014

I’m with the Banned: What it Means that Ben Affleck Got Booted from Blackjack

by David Drury

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Every celebrity plays poker.

Poker is good for celebrity.

You get to show your face around town; you have something to keep you busy in Vegas while the wife is keeping up with the Kardashians; you boost public perception for throwing your snazzy fedora in the ring at charity tournaments.

You restore blood flow to the parts of your body that forgot how piles of money can make you feel something. Just for showing up you get all kinds of comps, cred, and curtain calls. If you study up and play smart you might even fashion yourself into a winning player. The full arsenal of your brainpower and competitive wiles are welcome here—but cross the casino floor to the blackjack tables with that kind of know-how, and all bets are off.


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BJA Podcast – Ben and Colin Discuss Business and Financial Lessons Learned from Card Counting

May 1st, 2014

A few people know that Ben and I are currently working on a new business venture that revolves around financial training. (We’ll fill you guys in on that when we get closer to launch

We’re not claiming to be financial experts, but we feel like there are things we’ve learned about business and money from being professional gamblers that has applied to almost every other area of our lives… Read More »

Interview with BJA Member “Vexbasque”

April 24th, 2014

profile image 2 croppedI met Vex in Vegas at one of our Blackjack Bootcamps a couple years ago, though he’d been training hard and involved in the forum for a while. One of the most exciting things for us is seeing someone make the progression from Newbie to winning Card Counter. Read More »

Interview with BJA Member “Moses14″

March 27th, 2014

profile image 2 croppedThis is the second interview we’ve done for our monthly “Profile of a Card Counter”. Hopefully you can learn from, enjoy and find inspiration in Moses’ story.


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